The Defenders OOC

What I said was that a plasma cutter uses an electrical arc between itself and the target metal. The electrical arc ionizes the air around it, or it can ionize an inert gas provided by the plasma cutter. The plasma is directed by way of a fan into a stream that melts through metal at high speed, enabling high speed cutting of metal. So yes it uses an electrical arc, similar to an arc welder, but the similarity ends there.

So if you use a plasma torch, it would act more like a blowtorch, because plasma torches only create small plasma "flames", not to mention you would need to haul around some pretty high powered power unit, since plasma torches and plasma cutters takes 100 amps at 120 volts (direct current) to cut 1.5 inch steel, not to mention the fact that plasma torch units are somewhat large and bulky.

Canis, your post did say torch, but I know you meant to say cutter.

Lithium, I think you got the information for the plasma cutter Canis descibed. A plasma cutter gets up to 25,000 °C, where as a plasma torch is around 6,000 °C. So if you add temperature to compensate for using Dicyanoacetylene it places you at around 10,000 °C (I don't care whether a 4,000° increase is accurate, my concern is that it places you at a reasonable level). Also at that temperature you could prevent Claymoor from immolating himself.

I said cutter in the first paragraph and torch in the next on purpose, they are different.

I'm talking about your original post to Lithium.

canis_dirus wrote:

Lithium a modern plasma torch creates an electrical arc between itself and the target metal, which is also has to be grounded to. The arc is how it makes the plasma, and the plasma is in small amounts. Basically, it is making a small lightning bolt with alternating current or direct current instead of static electricity. It would not work at all as a flamethrower, although you would be able to cut through doors and other metal things.

Canus, you are talking about a transfer plasma torch, mine is a non transfer plasma torch that uses a xenon-diflouride battery and liquid helium cooling, so the heat is relatively low inside the barrel of the gun.

"In a DC torch, the electric arc is formed between the electrodes (which can be made of copper, tungsten, graphite, molybdenum, silver etc.), and the thermal plasma is formed from the continual input of carrier/working gas, projecting outward as a plasma jet/flame (as can be seen on the right). In DC torches, the carrier gas can be, for example, either oxygen, nitrogen, argon, helium, air, hydrogen;[2] and although termed as such, it does not have to be a gas (thus, better termed a carrier fluid).
For example, a research plasma torch at the Institute of Plasma Physics (IPP) in Prague, Czech Republic, functions with an H2O vortex (as well as a small addition of argon to ignite the arc), and produces a high temperature/velocity plasma flame.[3] In fact, early studies of arc stabilization employed a water-vortex.[4] Overall, the electrode materials and carrier fluids have to be specifically matched to avoid excessive electrode corrosion or oxidation (and contamination of materials to be treated), while maintaining ample power and function.
Furthermore, the flow-rate of the carrier gas can be raised to promote a larger, more projecting plasma jet, provided that the arc current is sufficiently increased; and vice versa."

I am SO confused...

Maxx Toron wrote:

I am SO confused...

Blame SCIENCE.

Me too. I'm just kinda standing in the back, blissfully unaware of all the science

Uneducated bystanders.

No, I'm educated, just not in the realm of really freakin hot cutty-stabby things.

workin on a post.



EDIT: I'd like to timeskip to act 2 soon, so if everyone could finish up in the armory, it would be greatly appreciated.

Lithium I actually was looking at that exact page. I know what you mean.

So how the hell are you going to supply energy for that? Are you going to just plug into the wall wherever you go?

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I am ready, we can skip to part 2 anytime

Lithium Americium wrote:

-mine is a non transfer plasma torch that uses a xenon-difluoride battery-

Notice I said xenon difluoride battery.

Lithium Americium wrote:

Uneducated bystanders.

This is where a quote by einstein comes in: Everyone is a genius but if you judge a fish on how well it climbs a tree it will live its whole life thinking it's stupid

I am too educated. I just know art and math more then science :3

If you are going to call someone uneducated you need to specify the aria of their under education then compare it to the average human beings education in that particular subject. If that person is average when compared to the rest of humanity then they are educated. If they are below average then you can say they are under educated. But only if they've never heard of thing you are talking about can you call them uneducated.

I was joking, chillax.

You being my brother should at this point be well aware of the fact that I NEVER 'chillax'. EVER.

Lol sorry ^w^its harder to tell if someones joking when you read it instead of hearing it XD but hey, it's a pretty good quote, don't cha' think? I said it in english class and it got a bunch of people to argue about the definition of "Genius" XD

New sig! lol

Lithium, you're still missing how Claymoor would survive being in such close proximity to nearly 30,000 degree plasma.

Also I got some idea's for Claymoor's weaknesses. Since it's made up a collection of independent organisms he'd be more vulnerable to stuff that bodies usually protect against, such as high and low temperatures. Poison gas and radiation would be especially deadly.

Liquid helium cooling inside the barrel and a short range shielding gas buffer that would extend to about 4 feet, modern plasma torches have a shielding gas that keeps the heat away from the rest of the equipment and in some cases the person who is the welder/cutter.

All good then. Still have the issue of its heat. The temperature of a DC plasma torch is roughly 10,000°C, so from my post earlier the plasma torch would burn at 14,000°C using your adjustment. The 25,000°C on the plasma cutting page you're using is referring to a pilot arc plasma cutter.

No one said it wasn't a pilot arc cutter, in fact that was the one I was referring to, I'm sorry that I did not mention that it was supposed to be a plasma arc.

It's fine, I was just confused for a while.

A plasma arc cutter can't be used to make a flame thrower. It conducts electricity between itself and and a target piece of metal. In short it only works on metal and doesn't even have a plasma jet, the heat is created by lighting. In Canis's first post you he outlined this, but he accidentally called it a torch. Read it again if you want a more in depth explanation.

I would recommend using a plasma torch, 14,000°C is plenty hot.

The Pilot Arc type uses a two cycle approach to producing plasma, avoiding the need for initial contact. First, a high-voltage, low current circuit is used to initialize a very small high-intensity spark within the torch body, thereby generating a small pocket of plasma gas. This is referred to as the pilot arc. The pilot arc has a return electrical path built into the torch head. The pilot arc will maintain itself until it is brought into proximity of the workpiece where it ignites the main plasma cutting arc. Plasma arcs are extremely hot and are in the range of 25 000 °C.